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Transmuting Lifeās Inevitable Pains: Embracing a Post-Tragic Perspective
A deeply engaging conversation in which Alexander Love, adult development expert and coach, and author of the soon-to-be-published trilogy Evolutionary Gestures, introduces us to the post-tragic perspective, with all of its potential to nourish, ground, and open us to a world of possibilities. Alexander explains that post-tragic is not a developmental stage per se, but a dimension available to anyone willing to do the work. It’s part of a triadāpre-tragic innocence, tragic disillusionment, and post-tragic possibilitiesāencountered in every wisdom tradition, the heroās journey, and every good story. Post-tragic is not about leaving the tragedy (trauma, pain, loss) behind, but about turning toward it and dropping into a dimension of being that can interface with it in a new way, from a place that isnāt divided or broken. Itās also about asking, what happens next, after the tragedy? How does the story proceed?
Shattering our certainty, a tragic event in our lives makes our world more diaphanous, Alexander continues, opening the way for us to lean further into the mystery. Here we encounter the vastness of possibility, the mystery being the first imagined wholeness, the seed of all potentiality, and we begin to see the sacred and the beauty in everything. Though the healing notion of facing our trauma and working through it is not new, Alexanderās pre-tragic, tragic, and post-tragic framework (deeply informed by his own experience) is compelling. With it, he has painted in the entire landscape around the core tragedy or trauma, giving us the full picture, the before and after, and connected us with a dimension of compassion and forgiveness that is liberating and full of promise. A wise, gentle, intense, warm, humble conversation. Recorded April 23, 2026.
āItās not forgive and forget… Itās remember deeply. Become so intimate with what happened, feel every aspect of it, and let it be transformed by love.ā
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Topics & Time Stamps
- Introducing Alexander Love, adult development expert, coach, acupuncturist & founder of eos, an organization focused on deep transformation (00:52)
- What brought Alexander to the field of adult development? (02:03)
- The sacred gap: the space between knower and known (03:46)
- The alternative to uncertainty and chaos is leaning into the mystery (05:53)
- Turning away from our traumas deepens our sense of separation (06:59)
- Meeting with his father’s murderer: an infinite degree of forgiveness is available (09:32)
- What is forgiveness? (13:00)
- How do we get closer to our pain? (16:52)
- Pre-tragic, tragic & post-tragic: innocence, disillusionment, possibility (19:38)
- Protecting children so they can internalize a sense of fundamental goodness (24:20)
- With tragic disillusionment our meaning becomes shattered (26:01)
- Both pre-tragic innocence & tragic disillusionment are within us (33:06)
- Orienting towards tragedy from an unbroken dimension of being; transmuting our pain by developing relationship (34:15)
- The arc of transformation requires going beyond awareness of our patterns to embracing them (39:13)
- The first 3 phases of transformation: fusion, differentiation, relationship (42:20)
- The post-tragic architecture includes finding sacred beauty in the world (44:20)
- Primordial purity: even with all the suffering, there is perfection (50:17)
- The tragic fracturing of meaning makes the world more diaphanous (52:05)
- Post-tragic possibility is a depth dimension, itās not just āgrowing upā (54:04)
- Compassion is embracing anotherās suffering with a quality of loving presence that transmutes the suffering (58:49)
- The Mystery is the first imagined wholeness, the seed of potentiality (1:04:47)
- An invitation to be curious, to ask how we are using our capacity to witness (1:07:15)
- Alexanderās book-in-progress, The Evolutionary Gestures Trilogy (1:13:20)
- We need a new chapter in history to address the complexity and the horrors of this time (1:17:10)
Resources & References
- Alexander Love, facilitator, developmental coach, acupuncturist, senior faculty at the Newfield Network & founder of eÅs wellness center
- Alexander Love’s The Evolutionary Gestures Trilogy is expected to be published in the fall of 2026
- āThe Room: A Story from the Evolutionary Gestures Trilogyā read by Alexander (YouTube video)
- Ken Wilberās Integral Theory: What is the Integral Approach? (Integral Life website)
- Oscar Mandel, A Definition of Tragedy
- Judy Schavrien, “Shakespeare’s Cymbeline and the Mystical Particular: Redemption, Then and Now, for a Disassembled Worldā
- Frederick Perls, Gestalt Therapy Verbatim
- Joseph Goldstein, Living on the Spiritual Edge (Deep Transformation podcast)
Alexander Love, MCC, NCC, M.Ac. is an acupuncturist, developmental coach, and facilitator. He serves as Director of Curriculum Development and Senior Facilitator at the Newfield Network, an international coach training, personal transformation, and leadership development organization, where he facilitates trainings in the United States and leads advanced trainings in Chile. He also teaches with Stages International and is a certified STAGES scorer.
Alexander’s forthcoming book, The Evolutionary Gestures Trilogy, is a mythopoetic exploration of the sacred gap ā the space between self and world where insight awakens alongside the deep pain of separation. The work is grounded in the story of his father’s murder and the restorative justice dialogue he later held with the man who took his father’s life ā an experience that profoundly shaped his understanding of healing, accountability, and reconciliation, and continues to inform his work today. Through magic realist memoir, evocative artwork, and a novel articulation of human becoming, this volume opens toward post-tragic possibility while introducing a distinctive developmental vision. You can learn more about Alexander at alexanderlove.org and newfieldnetwork.com.
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