The Call of the Cosmos: Aligning with Cosmic Evolution & Its Creative Impulse

By Heidi Mitchell | June 25, 2026
Cosmologist Stephan Martin Call of the Cosmos Cosmic Evolution Creative Impulse

In The Call of the Cosmos, cosmologist and astronomer Stephan Martin brings a new and revelatory perspective into play on Deep Transformation, sharing his profound knowledge of the evolving cosmos and its relationship with consciousness. To cover the immensity of the mystery we are involved in, Steve explains, we need to look at both the inner dimension—consciousness—and the outer mystery, the cosmos. Steve does a remarkable job of explaining the psychological, spiritual, and ethical implications of living in an evolving universe, and draws fascinating parallels between cosmic evolution and human evolution, and the manifestation of being and cosmos. Steve teaches that we can expand the concept of self from separate, small self to ecological self to planetary self, and beyond—to cosmic self.

Steve says the fundamental essence of the universe is creativity, and invites us to heed the call of the cosmos and align ourselves with cosmic creativity by expressing the whole through our individual modes of being. “What is the causal cosmic chain that leads to our allurement to do a certain thing?” he asks, adding, “13.8 billion years of cosmic evolution have led to this moment.” The universe is participatory, Steve has discovered, and we live in a relational reality. Put on your paradigm shifting hat for this lively, wise, and impassioned conversation. Your relationship with the cosmos will be illuminated for sure, and quite possibly entirely transformed. Steve is also a gifted author; you can explore more in his books Cosmic Conversations, This Playful Universe, Becoming the Change, and soon, Traveling in the Shadow of the Moon. Recorded August 21, 2025.

“If you look at the universe through telescopes, you see stars and galaxies… However, if you engage in a relationship with the universe through, say, devotional or contemplative practices, you discover other qualities.”

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Topics & Time Stamps

  • Introducing astronomer & cosmologist Stephan Martin, author of Cosmic Conversations and This Playful Universe (00:46)
  • The relationship between cosmos and consciousness (03:34)
  • What does it mean to be part of an evolving, dynamic universe? (05:09)
  • Einstein’s “greatest blunder” (08:18)
  • The emergence of complexity theory & the idea of the self-determining universe (09:48) 
  • Thomas Berry’s 1st universal dynamic: differentiation; every being is a unique mode of the universe (14:29)
  • Is consciousness an emergent part of the universe? Thomas Berry’s 2nd dynamic: subjectivity (18:07)
  • The universe is participatory (22:06)
  • What quantum theory brings crashing down is the idea of a static universe; reality is relational (26:39)
  • Cosmic leadership: the intuitive callings we feel… do they come from the universe? (30:10)
  • The earth is what’s in charge here and, by extension, the cosmos is what’s in charge (31:54)
  • What is the causal cosmic chain that leads to a creative impulse? (33:15)
  • Expanding the concept of self to a cosmic dimension (34:43)
  • The fundamental essence of the universe is creativity; the cosmic imperative is aligning with that (38:32)
  • Are ethics a mind-made construction, or are they tied with something deeper? Thomas Berry’s third dynamic: the principle of communion (42:46)
  • The concept of ego is Newtonian static cosmology internalized (51:10)
  • The manifestation of being parallels the manifestation of the cosmos (53:12)
  • Are we living in a multiverse? (57:34)
  • What does the universe desire? (01:01:32)
  • Are we living in an AI simulation? Is our universe a hologram? (01:05:07)
  • Is there life on other planets? What types of “life” haven’t we considered yet? (01:11:34)
  • Looking for other humans to talk to: the era of cosmic loneliness (01:15:52)
  • What is the current edge for cosmologists? (01:20:16)
  • Stephan’s new books: Becoming the Change with Carol Kilby & Traveling in the Shadow of the Moon (available for pre-order) (01:26:32)

Resources & References

Cosmologist Stephan Martin & Carol Kilby Becoming the Change
Cosmologist Stephan Martin Traveling in the Shadow of the Moon
Cosmologist Stephan Martin Call of the Cosmos cosmic evolution

Stephan Martin is an astronomer, author, educator, and cosmic guide who has spent more than thirty-five years exploring how scientific discovery, spiritual inquiry, and human experience can deepen our relationship with the evolving universe. Through his work with the Deeptime Network, along with workshops, retreats, lectures, and contemplative stargazing experiences, he helps people bring the wisdom of the cosmos into everyday life. He is the author of Cosmic Conversations and Living a Cosmic Life, co-author of Becoming the Change (with Carol Kilby), and author of the forthcoming Traveling in the Shadow of the Moon (January 2027). His work invites people to align their lives with the creative unfolding of the cosmos and participate more consciously in our shared evolutionary journey.  www.cosmicconversations.org and dtnetwork.org.

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